Electronic Frontier Foundation v Watch Tower Society

by Corney in

[disclaimer: the headline is slightly misleading since the eff itself doesn't participate in the case, so read more below].

it's not a secret that during the last two years watchtower obtained nearly 40 dmca subpoenas requiring google, facebook, instagram, twitter, soundcloud, scribd, reddit and other isps to provide personal information of users that allegedly infringed the society's copyright.. since subpoena proceeding is ex parte, almost all the requests were granted.. but one of the affected users contacted, on advice of youtube's legal team, the electronic frontier foundation (eff), and the foundation found a law firm ready to represent him pro bono, namely garvey schubert barer:.

youtube's legal department emailed the user on or about july 10, 2018, five days before the subpoena's return date, stating that it would comply with the subpoena unless it received a file-stamped motion to quash "or other type of formal objection before july 20, 2018.

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Thanks Comey

Couple pages of good arguments in the motions. Interesting to see the statements and approaches used by "legal" on both sides.

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In todays Atlantic secret JW Database

by Lets Think in

https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2019/03/the-secret-jehovahs-witness-database-of-child-molesters/584311/.

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Excellent read (as The Atlantic always is)

Very well written with attention to accurate details / proof of excellent journalism.

So much profound information regarding how "the good news of Watchtower corruption" is being spread to all the nations - Wow

How great to see the connecting threads in the efforts of so many

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Fear Of Demons:

by Englishman in

jw
friends

there was a time when jw's wouldn't buy anything that wasn't brand spanking new.

it might be a way for the demons to enter your home!.

this is from the wt, dec 15, 1966:.

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Hello Ashley and welcome to the forum -

Glad you posted on this old thread so we can all laugh at the stupid things the Watchtower tells people.

There doesn't appear to be any invisible people anywhere does there?

The fables written in the Bible were just the superstitions from ancient times.

Tell us about yourself and make some friends here.

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Is your Religious Orientation Extrinsic, Intrinsic or Quest?

by gone for good in

religious orientation.

from wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

jump to navigationjump to searchan individual's or community's religious orientation involves presumptions about the existence and nature of god or gods, religious prescriptions about morality and communal and personal spirituality.

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Religious orientation

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Jump to navigation Jump to search

An individual's or community's religious orientation involves presumptions about the existence and nature of God or gods, religious prescriptions about morality and communal and personal spirituality. Such presumptions involve the study of psychology, ethics, sociology and anthropology. ...

The Wikipedia header above is from a fascinating one page introduction of the three orientations that have been categorized by the four scientific disciplines referenced.

Extrinsic are the takers, users and gimme pigs.

Intrinsic find happiness comforting, helping and giving.

Quest are those who are willing to learn, to change and acknowledge there is no single great "TRUTH"

All three are subjected to a prejudice test and the results are fascinating

Please read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_orientation

Let's discuss this as it may offer a way to leave the cult without crisis

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Is it OK to teach your children that Homosexuality is wrong?

by Thomasdam in

i know a few family's who have left the cult but send their kids to a religious school because of the public schools teaching many times that homosexuality is ok. the bible is clear that its a sin.

there is no just love each other and its all ok. i don't believe in the bible or any religion.

i have a niece who came out as gay and i told her i don't care.

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What of the child taught that homosexuality is a sin later understands that they themselves are in fact homosexual?

No winners in that approach.

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You are afraid of children Jehovah witnesses after criminal tragedy in Kerch 2018?

by Pit123123 in

why are the leaders of the watchtower corporation modestly silent about this shame jehovah witnesses?.

all children jehovah witnesses potential terrorist?.

only not politics!

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stillMS /

yes I see your point. Those kids are pretty young (12-ish?) to have developed an interest in such things on their own. Camping, canoeing, hiking and community service might be more appropriate if the aim was good citizens (Boy scouts/ Girl Guides) rather than Hitler Youth.

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You are afraid of children Jehovah witnesses after criminal tragedy in Kerch 2018?

by Pit123123 in

why are the leaders of the watchtower corporation modestly silent about this shame jehovah witnesses?.

all children jehovah witnesses potential terrorist?.

only not politics!

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stillMS

That picture could be from any peace loving country's cadet program.

Those youngsters are not going to become killers just because they know and understand the horrible potential of weaponry - I see some very reflective expressions and body language among a group of kids .

Ultimately their culture, society and home-life will mold their thinking and values regarding such fearsome potential.

Mental illness creates a wild card and Pit123123 makes a well known connection between JW indoctrination and elevated levels of mental illness -THAT is a cause for concern as he/she rightly points out.

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Need help. Daughter wants to leave org but does not know how.

by Indian Larry in

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friends

long question, but very important.. i can use some help.

my daughter wants out of the organization and i need some advise.. here is my background in a nutshell.

i am fully faded for 10+ years.

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Indian Larry - good to hear from you.

Your daughter is lucky to have such a great dad.

Thank you for arranging care by a professional counselor - she now has one true friend who is not, and cannot be, influenced by cult madness - a real comfort I would imagine.

A therapist is the perfect person to lend real substantive LEGAL backing to your daughters wishes for a life of self direction, freedom and individual choices.

Do you think that your daughter is aware that she has legally enforceable human rights? right to freedom of association, expression, speech and freedom to reject any religion without being persecuted for the choice? and without

Might be an empowering subject for both her and her therapist, as once a therapist records in writing a persons abandonment of their religion, it preempts all future ecclesiastic interference with the persons life.

Please research Norman Hancock - a Mormon who not only escaped Mormonism but won a large settlement for their violation of his right to be rid of them.

Hope you keep in touch - everyone here cares deeply about your dilemma and your daughters happiness.

GFG

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Research Help Needed for University Presentation

by dubstepped in

my wife and i will be presenting in a class at the local university in a couple of weeks.

the class is about social media and psychology.

of course they talk about fake news and propaganda.

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Gerrit Losch said that higher education was like putting a gun to your head (in English). Can't beat that for an us vs. them when the us is a lecture hall of university students!

I'll search around and see if I can find it.

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Awake No. 2 2019 - Way To Destroy Your Childrens Hopes And Dreams Watchtower!

by pale.emperor in

not that i spend much time on the cult's website, but i like to skim through their latest propaganda to make sure i'm up to date with their nuttiness.

(and when i say skim, i mean just that.

the wafer thin, dumbed down content can be read in like 2 mins flat).. i just had to share my thoughts on the above piece of trash.. no.

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Learned WAY more than that in kindergarten - and it was a helluva lot more fun than any stupid kingdumb hall .

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